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Post by Reefs on May 8, 2013 6:41:00 GMT -8
A lot of tasty recipes out there, for sure. The thing with recipes is that one can usually find examples where they have 'worked' and so there's the conclusion it's going to 'work' again and again and that's the point when one tries to live a concept which usually doesn't work out so well and can have a lot of ugly side effects. The Daodejing is very much about non-conceptual living and has great pointers. However, it's kept very vague and murky so a lot of folks can read a lot of funny stuff into it. Aye. The funny stuff I got out of it was 1) Don't add knowledge (educate) 2) Kindly shake up people's foundations (teach how to not-know) 3) Keep it simple The Dream Model conversation has morphed into a Teaching conversation. Is that allowed here? How it does relate, though, is in 2) there. The Dream analogy seems to get people off-kilter. And angry, too. Doesn't seem to be helpful when in Porto's #3 World. I guess the reaction depends on what is at stake (i.e. self-image). If the self-image is one of a totally free creator, then that can be quite a blow. If the self-image is one of 'old soul unfortunately trapped in physical body' then it can be some kind of relief.
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Post by humphrey on May 8, 2013 8:44:24 GMT -8
Yikes! What causes that? Inner ear problem of some kind? Maybe we can figure out what you're symbolically trying to tell yourself. heehee. Yeah - they backed into a diagnosis. First they eliminated everything else (brain tumor, stroke or neurological problem) which left inner ear infection - labyrinthitis. Symbolic for.... don't hang out at labyrinths? (nah...too obvious) 'tis not balance you seek, grasshopper ? FWIW, I know several folks that get vertigo as an allergic reaction. It goes away with a Benedryl, for example.
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Post by quinn on May 8, 2013 8:50:28 GMT -8
Funny you should mention that. I keep getting the same answer (It's not about balance). I wince a little every time some seeker talks about the importance of balance, though I don't usually say anything to contradict cuz mind really likes the stability inherent in that idea. I'd say the happiest peeps I know are seriously imbalanced, including me. Hehe. Yes - I haven't given much thought to the whole 'balanced perspective of the personal vantage' kind of thing. But balance seems to be a good thing for navigating through experience. Just having brain/vision imbalance, I couldn't feed myself, walk, etc. So in that sense, which is the sense I think most people are 'noticing' from, it probably is a good thing. I dunno. Balance infers control. Lack of balance, lack of control. Maybe I'm being pushed to let go more. Orrrr....this is another evil ego-plot to show me how majorly uncomfortable it is to be totally out of control. Or....I got a virus and was susceptible to it because the pollen count is so high now. Dunno. Lotsa dunnos.
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Post by quinn on May 8, 2013 8:57:55 GMT -8
Side note: My posts are few and far between right now. Dealing with a tough case of vertigo - took me 6 days to be able to scroll again (insert dizzy emoticon) and I keep typing dyslexically. Pretty fascinating observing my brain going through the repair process, though - lining up walls and floors piece by piece, re-calibrating up and down. It's working very hard to return me to a solid place. Kind of ironic ;D Do you have that condition also in sleep state? No, but I also don't have it with my eyes closed, even awake. As long as no one's jostling me. You asked me that about smoking, too. What does that mean to you? Do you think dreams are a more pure or accurate representation of self?
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Post by quinn on May 8, 2013 9:13:14 GMT -8
I guess the reaction depends on what is at stake (i.e. self-image). If the self-image is one of a totally free creator, then that can be quite a blow. If the self-image is one of 'old soul unfortunately trapped in physical body' then it can be some kind of relief. Ohhh. That's very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the second category were drawn to spirituality. I would have put myself there at one time, but right now I don't feel 'unfortunately trapped'. Even with the current shenanigans.
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Post by quinn on May 8, 2013 9:20:48 GMT -8
FWIW, I know several folks that get vertigo as an allergic reaction. It goes away with a Benedryl, for example. Hi Humphrey - nice avatar over here. I hope that's the sword of Truth. ;D Thanks for the Benedryl tip. I'm seeing the ENT tomorrow and I'll ask him. I have kind of an unusual type. No spinning, just complete disorientation. And timing of movements is wacko. Although all of it is simmering down. Practicing stairs today. If you don't hear back from me.....
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Post by enigma on May 8, 2013 10:39:16 GMT -8
Funny you should mention that. I keep getting the same answer (It's not about balance). I wince a little every time some seeker talks about the importance of balance, though I don't usually say anything to contradict cuz mind really likes the stability inherent in that idea. I'd say the happiest peeps I know are seriously imbalanced, including me. Hehe. Yes - I haven't given much thought to the whole 'balanced perspective of the personal vantage' kind of thing. But balance seems to be a good thing for navigating through experience. Just having brain/vision imbalance, I couldn't feed myself, walk, etc. So in that sense, which is the sense I think most people are 'noticing' from, it probably is a good thing. I dunno. Balance infers control. Lack of balance, lack of control. Maybe I'm being pushed to let go more. Orrrr....this is another evil ego-plot to show me how majorly uncomfortable it is to be totally out of control. Or....I got a virus and was susceptible to it because the pollen count is so high now. Dunno. Lotsa dunnos. Well, maybe we can just say you're exploring the sense of being unstable and out of control, and not separate the physical from the mental and let it go at that.
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Post by enigma on May 8, 2013 10:46:02 GMT -8
FWIW, I know several folks that get vertigo as an allergic reaction. It goes away with a Benedryl, for example. Hi Humphrey - nice avatar over here. I hope that's the sword of Truth. ;D Thanks for the Benedryl tip. I'm seeing the ENT tomorrow and I'll ask him. I have kind of an unusual type. No spinning, just complete disorientation. And timing of movements is wacko. Although all of it is simmering down. Practicing stairs today. If you don't hear back from me..... Better get your climbing gear out and hammer a couple of takes in at the top of the stair.
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Post by quinn on May 8, 2013 15:11:20 GMT -8
Well, maybe we can just say you're exploring the sense of being unstable and out of control, and not separate the physical from the mental and let it go at that. That works for me. The sense of "umm, could this be some kind of re-orienting?" came up multiple times through the worst of it. Hey, I made it up and down the stairs today. Yea! Those stakes were a good idea.
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Post by Reefs on May 8, 2013 19:42:11 GMT -8
Funny you should mention that. I keep getting the same answer (It's not about balance). I wince a little every time some seeker talks about the importance of balance, though I don't usually say anything to contradict cuz mind really likes the stability inherent in that idea. I'd say the happiest peeps I know are seriously imbalanced, including me. Hehe. Yes - I haven't given much thought to the whole 'balanced perspective of the personal vantage' kind of thing. But balance seems to be a good thing for navigating through experience. Just having brain/vision imbalance, I couldn't feed myself, walk, etc. So in that sense, which is the sense I think most people are 'noticing' from, it probably is a good thing. I dunno. Balance infers control. Lack of balance, lack of control. Maybe I'm being pushed to let go more. Orrrr....this is another evil ego-plot to show me how majorly uncomfortable it is to be totally out of control. Or....I got a virus and was susceptible to it because the pollen count is so high now. Dunno. Lotsa dunnos. The ego conspiracy story sounds much more exciting. I'd go with that story!
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Post by Reefs on May 8, 2013 19:54:44 GMT -8
Do you have that condition also in sleep state? No, but I also don't have it with my eyes closed, even awake. As long as no one's jostling me. You asked me that about smoking, too. What does that mean to you? Do you think dreams are a more pure or accurate representation of self? Yes, I asked you that. But more in the context of LOA. This time it was just a curiosity question. You said when you close your eyes your condition is not there. Dream state and waking state do come and go. They are appearances only and therefore not real. When these states arise, there's suddenly a complete world there. But during the waking state the dream state is seen as imagination/purely mental while the waking state is seen as reality/physical and such. So when these complete worlds come and go in an instant, one might wonder if that distinction physical/mental is really that accurate or important.
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Post by Reefs on May 8, 2013 19:58:59 GMT -8
I guess the reaction depends on what is at stake (i.e. self-image). If the self-image is one of a totally free creator, then that can be quite a blow. If the self-image is one of 'old soul unfortunately trapped in physical body' then it can be some kind of relief. Ohhh. That's very interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the second category were drawn to spirituality. I would have put myself there at one time, but right now I don't feel 'unfortunately trapped'. Even with the current shenanigans. A-H call spirituality 'the last frontier' or 'the last ditch effort' because folks usually turn to spirituality only after all others attempts to get happy failed. So in that sense spirituality is probably the 'ultimate battlefield'.
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Post by Reefs on May 8, 2013 20:12:06 GMT -8
Well, maybe we can just say you're exploring the sense of being unstable and out of control, and not separate the physical from the mental and let it go at that. That works for me. The sense of "umm, could this be some kind of re-orienting?" came up multiple times through the worst of it. Hey, I made it up and down the stairs today. Yea! Those stakes were a good idea. Good to hear you're making progress. Reminds me a little of Milton Erickson, the 'founder'/'inventor' of a technique that later became known as NLP. He had polio as a young adult and spend a long time in bed. Apart from rolling his eyes he really couldn't do anything. He had a little sister that used to play in his room so he was watching her since he couldn't do anything else anyway. And so he watched her closely and recognized certain patterns in human behavior and language which he later used as a therapist. You said that you can watch how walls and floors get lined up. That's interesting. I guess that's similar to what newborns experience. When you look at newborns and they seem to look at you, then you will notice that they don't really look at you but kinda straight thru you. They seem to look into your direction but don't seem to recognize you as some kind of 'object' which they can focus on. That comes a little later in their development. So maybe they go thru the exact same process you are going thru right now, except that you have a memory of what a room and such looks like and they don't.
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Post by quinn on May 9, 2013 4:06:05 GMT -8
The ego conspiracy story sounds much more exciting. I'd go with that story! Totally agree. Sneaky bast@rd!!
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Post by quinn on May 9, 2013 11:29:08 GMT -8
But during the waking state the dream state is seen as imagination/purely mental while the waking state is seen as reality/physical and such. So when these complete worlds come and go in an instant, one might wonder if that distinction physical/mental is really that accurate or important. Does that make the distinction between imagination and physicality inaccurate or unimportant too? This is too far down the rabbit hole for me. My waking world didn't "go", it just got fluid. That little experience with shifting reality confirmed what I already know about the distinction between physical/mental - that's it's not clear-cut or accurate. But important? In what sense is it not important?
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