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Post by Reefs on May 2, 2013 5:26:20 GMT -8
How can I put my pieces back together later?  A. Superglue the pieces back together  or B. Wake up from the "separate pieces" dream ;D Option A sounds like Sisyphus work. So tell me, how do I do the waking up thingy?  |
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Post by Portto on May 2, 2013 11:13:40 GMT -8
A. Superglue the pieces back together or B. Wake up from the "separate pieces" dream ;D Option A sounds like Sisyphus work. So tell me, how do I do the waking up thingy? I don't know, most methods are just variations regarding the kind of glue used to stick the pieces back together. Pinching is supposed to be one of the best options... |
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Post by Reefs on May 5, 2013 8:31:48 GMT -8
Option A sounds like Sisyphus work. So tell me, how do I do the waking up thingy? I don't know, most methods are just variations regarding the kind of glue used to stick the pieces back together. Pinching is supposed to be one of the best options... No guaranteed recipe then?  |
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Post by quinn on May 5, 2013 12:42:41 GMT -8
I don't know, most methods are just variations regarding the kind of glue used to stick the pieces back together. Pinching is supposed to be one of the best options... No guaranteed recipe then? Happened to read this thread, then went to the Tao and randomly picked #65. Seemed to relate to the conversation, so here it is: "The ancient Masters didn't try to educate the people, but kindly taught them to not-know. When they think that they know the answers, people are difficult to guide. When they know that they don't know, people can find their own way. If you want to learn how to govern, avoid being clever or rich. The simplest pattern is the clearest. Content with an ordinary life, you can show all people the way back to their own true nature." It's not a guaranteed recipe, but looks like a tasty one anyway. |
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Post by Reefs on May 6, 2013 3:47:05 GMT -8
No guaranteed recipe then? Happened to read this thread, then went to the Tao and randomly picked #65. Seemed to relate to the conversation, so here it is: "The ancient Masters didn't try to educate the people, but kindly taught them to not-know. When they think that they know the answers, people are difficult to guide. When they know that they don't know, people can find their own way. If you want to learn how to govern, avoid being clever or rich. The simplest pattern is the clearest. Content with an ordinary life, you can show all people the way back to their own true nature." It's not a guaranteed recipe, but looks like a tasty one anyway. A lot of tasty recipes out there, for sure. The thing with recipes is that one can usually find examples where they have 'worked' and so there's the conclusion it's going to 'work' again and again and that's the point when one tries to live a concept which usually doesn't work out so well and can have a lot of ugly side effects. The Daodejing is very much about non-conceptual living and has great pointers. However, it's kept very vague and murky so a lot of folks can read a lot of funny stuff into it. |
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Post by quinn on May 6, 2013 10:12:24 GMT -8
A lot of tasty recipes out there, for sure. The thing with recipes is that one can usually find examples where they have 'worked' and so there's the conclusion it's going to 'work' again and again and that's the point when one tries to live a concept which usually doesn't work out so well and can have a lot of ugly side effects. The Daodejing is very much about non-conceptual living and has great pointers. However, it's kept very vague and murky so a lot of folks can read a lot of funny stuff into it. Aye. The funny stuff I got out of it was 1) Don't add knowledge (educate) 2) Kindly shake up people's foundations (teach how to not-know) 3) Keep it simple The Dream Model conversation has morphed into a Teaching conversation. Is that allowed here?  How it does relate, though, is in 2) there. The Dream analogy seems to get people off-kilter. And angry, too. Doesn't seem to be helpful when in Porto's #3 World. |
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Post by enigma on May 6, 2013 16:57:32 GMT -8
A lot of tasty recipes out there, for sure. The thing with recipes is that one can usually find examples where they have 'worked' and so there's the conclusion it's going to 'work' again and again and that's the point when one tries to live a concept which usually doesn't work out so well and can have a lot of ugly side effects. The Daodejing is very much about non-conceptual living and has great pointers. However, it's kept very vague and murky so a lot of folks can read a lot of funny stuff into it. Aye. The funny stuff I got out of it was 1) Don't add knowledge (educate) 2) Kindly shake up people's foundations (teach how to not-know) 3) Keep it simple The Dream Model conversation has morphed into a Teaching conversation. Is that allowed here? We be real flexible here. I'm usually surprised by the reaction. The first time I heard the analogy it rezzed big time. |
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Post by quinn on May 6, 2013 18:34:16 GMT -8
We be real flexible here. I kinda figgered.  How it does relate, though, is in 2) there. The Dream analogy seems to get people off-kilter. And angry, too. Doesn't seem to be helpful when in Porto's #3 World. Interesting. I mostly ignored it because it seemed to negate existence. If you're conflating personal self & existence (or being), the dream analogy swats the whole deal away like a pesky mosquito, which of course doesn't make sense. Cause I exist. Byron Katie has a quote that, for some reason, resonated more even though I think it's pointing to the same thing. "No two people have ever met". |
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Post by quinn on May 6, 2013 18:42:42 GMT -8
Side note: My posts are few and far between right now. Dealing with a tough case of vertigo - took me 6 days to be able to scroll again (insert dizzy emoticon) and I keep typing dyslexically.
Pretty fascinating observing my brain going through the repair process, though - lining up walls and floors piece by piece, re-calibrating up and down. It's working very hard to return me to a solid place. Kind of ironic ;D
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Post by burt on May 7, 2013 5:32:36 GMT -8
hope you feel better quinn
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Post by quinn on May 7, 2013 6:10:05 GMT -8
Thanks 'Burt'  |
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Post by enigma on May 7, 2013 8:06:05 GMT -8
Side note: My posts are few and far between right now. Dealing with a tough case of vertigo - took me 6 days to be able to scroll again (insert dizzy emoticon) and I keep typing dyslexically. Pretty fascinating observing my brain going through the repair process, though - lining up walls and floors piece by piece, re-calibrating up and down. It's working very hard to return me to a solid place. Kind of ironic ;D Yikes! What causes that? Inner ear problem of some kind? Maybe we can figure out what you're symbolically trying to tell yourself. |
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Post by quinn on May 7, 2013 12:56:48 GMT -8
Yikes! What causes that? Inner ear problem of some kind? Maybe we can figure out what you're symbolically trying to tell yourself. heehee. Yeah - they backed into a diagnosis. First they eliminated everything else (brain tumor, stroke or neurological problem) which left inner ear infection - labyrinthitis. Symbolic for.... don't hang out at labyrinths? (nah...too obvious) 'tis not balance you seek, grasshopper ? |
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Post by enigma on May 7, 2013 19:13:34 GMT -8
Yikes! What causes that? Inner ear problem of some kind? Maybe we can figure out what you're symbolically trying to tell yourself. heehee. Yeah - they backed into a diagnosis. First they eliminated everything else (brain tumor, stroke or neurological problem) which left inner ear infection - labyrinthitis. Symbolic for.... don't hang out at labyrinths? (nah...too obvious) 'tis not balance you seek, grasshopper ? Funny you should mention that. I keep getting the same answer (It's not about balance). I wince a little every time some seeker talks about the importance of balance, though I don't usually say anything to contradict cuz mind really likes the stability inherent in that idea. I'd say the happiest peeps I know are seriously imbalanced, including me. Hehe. |
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Post by Reefs on May 8, 2013 6:37:10 GMT -8
Side note: My posts are few and far between right now. Dealing with a tough case of vertigo - took me 6 days to be able to scroll again (insert dizzy emoticon) and I keep typing dyslexically. Pretty fascinating observing my brain going through the repair process, though - lining up walls and floors piece by piece, re-calibrating up and down. It's working very hard to return me to a solid place. Kind of ironic ;D Do you have that condition also in sleep state? |
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