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Post by burt on Jun 9, 2013 12:30:32 GMT -8
hi Burt, Can you explain me this line ' it implies a limitation on the unlimited'? RAJ Happy Birthday Raj! |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 10, 2013 6:45:27 GMT -8
hi burt
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Post by Gopal on Jun 10, 2013 6:53:31 GMT -8
hi Burt, Can you explain me this line ' it implies a limitation on the unlimited'? RAJ This brings us back to the discussion of free will and choice. When you said this: this disharmony of him is included intentionally by overall movement of universe. I can find no center for this intention. Nothing that can be objectified or described. The word "Universe" points toward it, but there is nothing that can be accurately described as making choices. There is no master Choicemaker in the sky. No God. Not in any sense that is useful in this context. Looking toward this supposed individual, this mirage has no say in the matter, and can't be the source of intention. Yet, that a single outcome from more than one possible outcome is what is observed is undeniable. hi burt, We had a small discussion about this in another topic a few weeks back, i replied to your reply but you hadn't reply me back, That's where we were speaking about the existence of third entity. simple question would be there are many kind of orchestration might be there, but what sort of orchestration i was speaking about is, when you alone knows the intention and no other are aware of what your intention is, how this intention is going to be manifested without third entity orchestrating this? For an instance think of meeting a person, when you alone intend to meet a person and no one knows,how this sort of orchestration happens? RAJ |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2013 8:35:56 GMT -8
True Silence (5)A: This is the kind of peace you get when you have learned to meditate through concentration, and you say to the teacher "Yes, I have found peace, but when I stop meditating it all goes to hell in a handbasket." This tells the teacher exactly what kind of meditation you are doing - you are controlling your experience. When you get up and go about your day and have to pay attention to other things, you cannot pay attention to your concentration, so your peace of mind disappears because it is something that is manufactured. Great way to get this distinction across. Simple, no woo-woo, no TMT, based in observation. One could say ... practical ...  . "Every instant is an opportunity". Yup, Adya is da man! Very clear. |
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Post by burt on Jun 10, 2013 19:24:38 GMT -8
This brings us back to the discussion of free will and choice. When you said this: I can find no center for this intention. Nothing that can be objectified or described. The word "Universe" points toward it, but there is nothing that can be accurately described as making choices. There is no master Choicemaker in the sky. No God. Not in any sense that is useful in this context. Looking toward this supposed individual, this mirage has no say in the matter, and can't be the source of intention. Yet, that a single outcome from more than one possible outcome is what is observed is undeniable. hi burt, We had a small discussion about this in another topic a few weeks back, i replied to your reply but you hadn't reply me back, That's where we were speaking about the existence of third entity. simple question would be there are many kind of orchestration might be there, but what sort of orchestration i was speaking about is, when you alone knows the intention and no other are aware of what your intention is, how this intention is going to be manifested without third entity orchestrating this? For an instance think of meeting a person, when you alone intend to meet a person and no one knows,how this sort of orchestration happens? RAJ Yes I do recall that ... I didn't reply because it seemed that we were speaking past one another. I offered two ideas in counterpoint to the third-party intervener: 1. Clockwork based on past events and conditioning, with the frame of reference essentially arbitrary. 2. Given that there are multiple models that work, the model itself is of no consequence. |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 12, 2013 9:50:05 GMT -8
Excellent.
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Post by Gopal on Jun 12, 2013 9:55:25 GMT -8
hi burt,
Again i find difficult to understand this line.Can you tell me what you meant by this line?
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Post by burt on Jun 13, 2013 18:15:21 GMT -8
hi burt, Again i find difficult to understand this line.Can you tell me what you meant by this line? The idea certainly isn't original to me so I'll just link you to one source of it. To be clear, while this philosophy did at one time constitute a cornerstone of my world view, that world view is long gone. I'm pointing it out to you for the sole reason to illustrate how there is more than one plausible, acceptable explanation for the question at hand. This is simply to call into question, in turn, the usefulness or need for any such explanation. |
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