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Post by silvery1 on Jun 3, 2013 8:53:16 GMT -8
Ah, I see where you're coming from now. I like your description play-by-play of 'mindful eating'. Acshully it sounds better than either just eating (boring) and inhaling one's food - like a happy medium. First there was inhaling one's food Then there was mindful eating then just eating. The first is unconscious, and the details of the experience of eating are lost. The second is a practice. The third is just eating. But the third is complete with all the details of the second, and more. Some of the details are lost in the practice of the second because the practice is what is primary and not the eating. A 'false silence' is a practice in the same way. Actual silence is polluted with the noise of the practice of 'should be silent' etc. blah blah just riffin Too bad RH doesn't have a 'Like" button - ('course I 'like' everything haha)........if I had my way, I'd have "Cool" button.  |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 3, 2013 9:28:08 GMT -8
Silvery1 & humphrey
Focusing upon anything would be a new creation, this creation can't be last long without it's opposite.
RAJ
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Post by burt on Jun 3, 2013 10:28:05 GMT -8
My guess is that your perception of that attitude is based in a perspective on the nature of identity. If you take yourself to be your history, your separate body, your thinking mind that constructs a narrative, and the whole package sometimes in opposition, sometimes in harmony with everything that that's not, then yeah, "none of that matters". It doesn't matter for the simple reason that that is not what you are -- none of any of that is what you are, and the question of what you are is at the root of the nature of the inquiry on these forums. As far as the aspect of "false silence" that's worth noticing, what raj said in the quote thread is a good start: it attracts it's opposite. So here you have people going to meditate, ostenchably with the intent to quiet their minds, and they just wind up eventually attracting and manifesting a bunch of mental noise. So.. .are you guys saying that any kind of meditation other than 'effortless' meditation, so to speak, is 'for real' meditation and anything else is meh? I don't know if I'd go that route...I'm presently reading a book called Relaxing Into Your Being / Tao Meditation Vol 1, by Bruce Frantzis and evidently, he is no slouch. In this book he teaches complete Tao breathing for health/spirituality, and developing meditative awareness, and along that road, there are certain practices to that end. I know you may be referring to 'other than' this sort of thing, but just sayin'..... Well, that's not what I'd say anyway. What you'll notice is that the whole question of silence vs. false silence can morph into more of this mental noise to begin with. If you're encountering an interest in some technique or practice then explore it and worry about this question later. I'll give you the answer up front: any practice that is done for the sake of the separate individual is ultimately futile and will result in one sort of wheel spinning or another. Think back to Bob Harwoods experiences in "Pouring Concrete" for example. If that answer just causes more questions or an urge to debate it then my advice is just don't worry about that, at least right now. If you want to meditate in order to improve your health, then by all means, that's as good a reason to take up a practice as any other. silence vs. false silence? my answer, is ... follow yer gut!  just remember that ya' heard it here first from burt the blissbunny! |
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Post by silvery1 on Jun 3, 2013 14:54:58 GMT -8
You won't know where the author or I are coming from, unless you read up on where he 'came from'. That's all I can say on that...
I do detect a whiff of humility's opposite, though.
and I grew up with Granny's fine dishes, like world's best potato salad and cole slaw (with or without pineapple and/or pretty multi-colored mini-marshmallows). Mmm-mmm-good!
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Post by burt on Jun 3, 2013 17:25:01 GMT -8
You won't know where the author or I are coming from, unless you read up on where he 'came from'. That's all I can say on that... I do detect a whiff of humility's opposite, though.and I grew up with Granny's fine dishes, like world's best potato salad and cole slaw (with or without pineapple and/or pretty multi-colored mini-marshmallows). Mmm-mmm-good! From me or from Frantzis? ... no wrong answer btw I's jest curious! |
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Post by silvery1 on Jun 3, 2013 17:34:42 GMT -8
You won't know where the author or I are coming from, unless you read up on where he 'came from'. That's all I can say on that... I do detect a whiff of humility's opposite, though.and I grew up with Granny's fine dishes, like world's best potato salad and cole slaw (with or without pineapple and/or pretty multi-colored mini-marshmallows). Mmm-mmm-good! From me or from Frantzis? ... no wrong answer btw I's jest curious! ( ) Your guess is (not) as good as mine, hahaha. hint: when birds of a feather get together...and no not the author. gadzooks - I just felt like saying that.  |
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Post by burt on Jun 3, 2013 19:53:02 GMT -8
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Post by Gopal on Jun 3, 2013 20:36:39 GMT -8
hi Burt,
This futility will be known if and only if overall movement of universe is running towards revealing that futility Otherwise universe get harmony with this futility as well.
RAJ
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Post by burt on Jun 3, 2013 21:26:52 GMT -8
hi Burt, This futility will be known if and only if overall movement of universe is running towards revealing that futility Otherwise universe get harmony with this futility as well. RAJ I'd agree with you that practice can lead to harmony, but not harmony with, rather, harmony of. In this, the futility of the search for harmony with the universe is revealed. I've got only my own experience to go on but I'd say that this revelation is something quite natural. |
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Post by Gopal on Jun 3, 2013 21:39:41 GMT -8
hi burt
I find difficult to understand this line "I'd agree with you that practice can lead to harmony, but not harmony with, rather, harmony of"
can you please explain me?
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Post by burt on Jun 3, 2013 22:01:21 GMT -8
hi burt I find difficult to understand this line "I'd agree with you that practice can lead to harmony, but not harmony with, rather, harmony of" can you please explain me? RAJ In relating to your use of the word harmony in the context of practice I referenced my own experiences of peace, calm and tranquility during meditation, both sitting and minute-to-minute. What I've found is that these correlate with the absence of certain patterns, patterns that, prior to a sudden unexpected round of self-inquiry a few years ago, I used to mistake as intertwined with my sense of identity. In this I would say that it is the absensce of this false identity that is at the root of the perception of harmony, and it is whatever is that is harmonizing with itself, rather than what I used to mistake myself for harmonizing with it. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 3, 2013 22:34:54 GMT -8
Too bad RH doesn't have a 'Like" button - ('course I 'like' everything haha)........if I had my way, I'd have "Cool" button.
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Post by Gopal on Jun 3, 2013 23:12:03 GMT -8
hi burt,
Ok, I guess you misunderstood what I meant by the word 'harmony', All individual are one, all individual are part of the creation process, when an individual realizes the creation process like we have nothing to do or we are not doing anything here, he is harmony with himself. If a particular person hasn't realized this, then he is disharmony anyway. But whether a particular individual is harmony or not, whole is harmony (i.e) whole(all individual) is harmony and this harmony includes harmony and disharmony of all individuals.
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Post by silvery1 on Jun 4, 2013 2:22:08 GMT -8
Too bad RH doesn't have a 'Like" button - ('course I 'like' everything haha)........if I had my way, I'd have "Cool" button.
Here you go... Uh...thanks? (How hard could it be to have someone (James? whatever happened to him?) could 'install' a 'Cool' button with a different logo - y'know like the like button at ST? Maybe use a palm tree or a surf board?) Nnneevermind.... |
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Post by burt on Jun 4, 2013 11:17:53 GMT -8
hi burt, Ok, I guess you misunderstood what I meant by the word 'harmony', All individual are one, all individual are part of the creation process, when an individual realizes the creation process like we have nothing to do or we are not doing anything here, he is harmony with himself. If a particular person hasn't realized this, then he is disharmony anyway. But whether a particular individual is harmony or not, whole is harmony (i.e) whole(all individual) is harmony and this harmony includes harmony and disharmony of all individuals. Thanks for the clarification then. If harmony includes disharmony then can we say that harmony is disharmony? -- I'm just having fun here btw ... |
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