lena
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Post by lena on Jan 31, 2013 15:42:27 GMT -8
"However, to feel is not to suffer. Suffering depends on what you decide about the feeling.
Suffering happens in the thoughts ABOUT feeling. We could say speerichool work is about changing those thoughts. It is NOT about feeling the right feelings. Peace is not a feeling, it's the absence of those thoughts that create suffering."
This is the way I have begun to see suffering. Also as Being said, it's the identification with these feelings, believing that they are what you are. I don't mind being sad or unhappy, because I know they are feelings and thoughts about the feeling and I find I don't really suffer in that way. What I do mind is finding that I can make a decision of what I can live with and can't live with. The thought of my child dying - I can barely write that statement - sends me into what I perceive would be the ultimate suffering. I hate that I do that. Alas, I have decided what is the worst outcome, and that worry nags at me. And no amount of knowing that thoughts are not who you are alleviates that particular outcome.
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2013 17:19:43 GMT -8
"However, to feel is not to suffer. Suffering depends on what you decide about the feeling. Suffering happens in the thoughts ABOUT feeling. We could say speerichool work is about changing those thoughts. It is NOT about feeling the right feelings. Peace is not a feeling, it's the absence of those thoughts that create suffering." This is the way I have begun to see suffering. Also as Being said, it's the identification with these feelings, believing that they are what you are. I don't mind being sad or unhappy, because I know they are feelings and thoughts about the feeling and I find I don't really suffer in that way. What I do mind is finding that I can make a decision of what I can live with and can't live with. The thought of my child dying - I can barely write that statement - sends me into what I perceive would be the ultimate suffering. I hate that I do that. Alas, I have decided what is the worst outcome, and that worry nags at me. And no amount of knowing that thoughts are not who you are alleviates that particular outcome. Yeah, imagination can always come up with a suffering scenario, and use it to create suffering. That would be a good place to start alleviating suffering. One good reason for doing that is that thoughts have a creative quality about them. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 31, 2013 20:07:49 GMT -8
This is the way I have begun to see suffering. Also as Being said, it's the identification with these feelings, believing that they are what you are. I don't mind being sad or unhappy, because I know they are feelings and thoughts about the feeling and I find I don't really suffer in that way. What I do mind is finding that I can make a decision of what I can live with and can't live with. The thought of my child dying - I can barely write that statement - sends me into what I perceive would be the ultimate suffering. I hate that I do that. Alas, I have decided what is the worst outcome, and that worry nags at me. And no amount of knowing that thoughts are not who you are alleviates that particular outcome.
Maybe play around with statements: 1) My child dying. 2) A child dying. 3) Someone dying. Any differences? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 31, 2013 20:58:06 GMT -8
Enigma,
You are telling to notice when we are in unhappy, right? I am asking you that Are you still noticing when you are in unhappy? will you be with undivided attention when you are in unhappy so that you would not suffer?
Raj
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2013 21:20:27 GMT -8
Enigma, You are telling to notice when we are in unhappy, right? I am asking you that Are you still noticing when you are in unhappy? will you be with undivided attention when you are in unhappy so that you would not suffer? Raj I don't think it ever occurred to me to suggest that we need to notice we are unhappy. I think the more you try to work out if you're happy or not, the more unhappy you will likely be. Might be useful to turn and walk off that battlefield. I'm not sure how undivided attention relates to not suffering. Attention on what eggzakly? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 31, 2013 21:54:08 GMT -8
>>Most worlds are upside down. You are in pain because you are trying to escape. Stop trying and see what happens. Remain still and watch. Let nothing escape your attention<<
What do you mean by nothing escape your attention? Is it noticing right?
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Post by theo on Jan 31, 2013 22:59:48 GMT -8
"However, to feel is not to suffer. very true! very true! This is the way I have begun to see suffering. Also as Being said, it's the identification with these feelings, believing that they are what you are. These feeling ARE what you ARE. Realizing it dispells beliefs, believer and suffering. |
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Post by theo on Jan 31, 2013 23:00:54 GMT -8
This is the way I have begun to see suffering. Also as Being said, it's the identification with these feelings, believing that they are what you are. I don't mind being sad or unhappy, because I know they are feelings and thoughts about the feeling and I find I don't really suffer in that way. What I do mind is finding that I can make a decision of what I can live with and can't live with. The thought of my child dying - I can barely write that statement - sends me into what I perceive would be the ultimate suffering. I hate that I do that. Alas, I have decided what is the worst outcome, and that worry nags at me. And no amount of knowing that thoughts are not who you are alleviates that particular outcome.
Maybe play around with statements: 1) My child dying. 2) A child dying. 3) Someone dying. Any differences? clever, clever, clever !  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2013 23:49:56 GMT -8
>>Most worlds are upside down. You are in pain because you are trying to escape. Stop trying and see what happens. Remain still and watch. Let nothing escape your attention<< What do you mean by nothing escape your attention? Is it noticing right? Yes, notice. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 1, 2013 0:36:57 GMT -8
>>Most worlds are upside down. You are in pain because you are trying to escape. Stop trying and see what happens. Remain still and watch. Let nothing escape your attention<< What do you mean by nothing escape your attention? Is it noticing right? Yes, notice. The notice be there forever?what i meant is, the need of notice be there forever? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 9:06:22 GMT -8
The notice be there forever?what i meant is, the need of notice be there forever? Noticing is a suggestion given to a seeker to be attentive, mindful, to see, to realize. |
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Post by RajagopalanfromINDIA on Feb 1, 2013 9:22:05 GMT -8
Noticing is a suggestion given to a seeker to be attentive, mindful, to see, to realize.
So Once realization happens, then there is no need of noticing, Is it not?
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 12:13:53 GMT -8
Noticing is a suggestion given to a seeker to be attentive, mindful, to see, to realize. So Once realization happens, then there is no need of noticing, Is it not? Well, right. Realization is ongoing clarity. Once something is truly seen, it can't be unseen. So no need to try to keep seeing. When it seems like something has to be realized over and over, it means it was never realized to begin with. |
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Post by lena on Feb 1, 2013 16:49:49 GMT -8
"However, to feel is not to suffer. Suffering depends on what you decide about the feeling. Suffering happens in the thoughts ABOUT feeling. We could say speerichool work is about changing those thoughts. It is NOT about feeling the right feelings. Peace is not a feeling, it's the absence of those thoughts that create suffering." This is the way I have begun to see suffering. Also as Being said, it's the identification with these feelings, believing that they are what you are. I don't mind being sad or unhappy, because I know they are feelings and thoughts about the feeling and I find I don't really suffer in that way. What I do mind is finding that I can make a decision of what I can live with and can't live with. The thought of my child dying - I can barely write that statement - sends me into what I perceive would be the ultimate suffering. I hate that I do that. Alas, I have decided what is the worst outcome, and that worry nags at me. And no amount of knowing that thoughts are not who you are alleviates that particular outcome. Yeah, imagination can always come up with a suffering scenario, and use it to create suffering. That would be a good place to start alleviating suffering. One good reason for doing that is that thoughts have a creative quality about them. Hope I'm doing this quote thing right. I don't see imagination..I think its just worry of things that could possibly go wrong. As we get older, we see a lot and experience a lot, and so I decide what the worse outcome would be, and decide I can't live with that. I don't want to worry..but it happens anyway |
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 16:57:06 GMT -8
Yeah, imagination can always come up with a suffering scenario, and use it to create suffering. That would be a good place to start alleviating suffering. One good reason for doing that is that thoughts have a creative quality about them. Hope I'm doing this quote thing right. Yup. Help me understand why you don't see that as imagining what could go wrong. |
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