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Post by Gopal on Jan 29, 2013 7:38:45 GMT -8
At what point of time would you consider Love is expressed without opposite when you are always being in roller coaster? "Angry is already a label for a feeling you conjure up from your suffering. " Then what do you mean by unhappy feeling if that was not suffering.Suffering is the feeling which I don't want to experience,isn't it? if so, unhappy is equal to suffering,is it not? Raj Happy/sad, pain/pleasure, joy/despair. These things still happen, because they are feelings, emotions. Suffering is in the identification with these feelings--believing that they are what you are. Are you not suffering when you are in pain? Are you not suffering when you are sad? Suffering is the feeling which you don't want to feel,isn't it? happiness is the feeling which you do want to feel?Isn't it? |
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Post by beingist on Jan 29, 2013 7:44:27 GMT -8
Happy/sad, pain/pleasure, joy/despair. These things still happen, because they are feelings, emotions. Suffering is in the identification with these feelings--believing that they are what you are. Are you not suffering when you are in pain? Are you not suffering when you are sad? Suffering is the feeling which you don't want to feel,isn't it? happiness is the feeling which you do want to feel?Isn't it? That's the trap of duality--wanting to feel, or not wanting to feel this or that. That wanting to feel or not to feel anything is the seed of suffering (at least to me). |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2013 10:43:55 GMT -8
Love isn't a dualistic feeling. You ARE Love. You don't have to find it, just stop pretending to be something else. Angry is already a label for a feeling you conjure up from your suffering. Suffering first, then the label of anger. Anger isn't 'out there' with a name tag on it waiting for you to experience it. At what point of time would you consider Love is expressed without opposite when you are always being in roller coaster? Love is given when you know it is not yours to give. Suffering is your own subjective label that you put on what you feel, and even what you feel is a subjective label. Inside the theater someone is watching a sad movie. Outside the theater a woman's husband has recently died. They are both sad, but are they both suffering? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2013 10:47:58 GMT -8
Happy/sad, pain/pleasure, joy/despair. These things still happen, because they are feelings, emotions. Suffering is in the identification with these feelings--believing that they are what you are. Are you not suffering when you are in pain? Are you not suffering when you are sad? Suffering is the feeling which you don't want to feel,isn't it? happiness is the feeling which you do want to feel?Isn't it? Suffering is trying to escape one and get to the other. |
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Post by beingist on Jan 29, 2013 18:06:24 GMT -8
Love is given when you know it is not yours to give. Gee, E. That's kinda profound. Is that really yours? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 29, 2013 21:38:06 GMT -8
Love is given when you know it is not yours to give.
Super , I liked this line, you are saying I will be the witness when love moves.
Suffering is trying to escape one and get to the other.
I couldn't agree with this line, because suffering is not only trying to escape, but also when you are in pain. Why are you trying to escape? because it made you to suffer, if not you would like to be remain in that state.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 29, 2013 21:39:12 GMT -8
Super , I liked this line, you are saying I will be the witness when love moves. And What is the one which obstruct the flow of Love?
I couldn't agree with this line, because suffering is not only trying to escape, but also when you are in pain. Why are you trying to escape? because it made you to suffer, if not you would like to be remain in that state.
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2013 23:45:34 GMT -8
Love is given when you know it is not yours to give. Gee, E. That's kinda profound. Is that really yours? It doesn't seem that way to me.  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2013 23:50:42 GMT -8
Love is given when you know it is not yours to give. Super , I liked this line, you are saying I will be the witness when love moves. Zacly. Most worlds are upside down. You are in pain because you are trying to escape. Stop trying and see what happens. Remain still and watch. Let nothing escape your attention. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2013 7:51:18 GMT -8
Why should I try to escape when I am not in pain which again puts me into pain?(because you told me pain is when I try to escape)
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2013 10:19:53 GMT -8
Why should I try to escape when I am not in pain which again puts me into pain?(because you told me pain is when I try to escape) Suffering is in your thoughts. Look and see what your mind is doing instead of trying to work it out logically. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2013 21:57:59 GMT -8
Enigma,
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Post by burt on Jan 30, 2013 22:58:25 GMT -8
That was my impression ... which is why, of course, I refrained from asking that question. Yet you still put it on the table.  Yes, some of us bunnies out here in the wild have a knack for spotting when a carrot is surrounded by a trap! |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 31, 2013 1:49:56 GMT -8
So you are still watching when you are in unhappy? whenever you are unhappy, you started to watch for not to be trapped by that, is it not?
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2013 10:12:13 GMT -8
So you are still watching when you are in unhappy? whenever you are unhappy, you started to watch for not to be trapped by that, is it not? I don't know what you're saying. |
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