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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2013 3:02:45 GMT -8
This is the discussion thread for "The Daily Niz". Here you can post your comments about Niz or anything else related.
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Post by enigma on Feb 15, 2013 13:23:45 GMT -8
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Post by Reefs on Feb 15, 2013 23:46:59 GMT -8
That Niz guy has no moral code! Look at his unbridled ego hanging out there.  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 16, 2013 23:27:43 GMT -8
That Niz guy has no moral code! Look at his unbridled ego hanging out there. Hopefully, he had somebody to ask him if he was willing to take a look at that issue.  |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 17, 2013 20:57:21 GMT -8
That Niz guy has no moral code! Look at his unbridled ego hanging out there. Hopefully, he had somebody to ask him if he was willing to take a look at that issue. Yes, probably the Osho followers who he usually kicked out. ;D |
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Post by burt on Feb 19, 2013 19:13:02 GMT -8
Niz: It is not like this: Because I am real, you are unreal. It is like this: Because I am unreal, everything is unreal. The distinction that's come across from what I've read so far (and as specifically pointed out to me once by Niz 2.0), is that what is unreal is not dismissed as unreal, but seen to be, or even, I dare say, embraced as what it is (or... isn't). |
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Post by spongey on Feb 19, 2013 20:48:47 GMT -8
Niz: I am now 74 years old. And yet I feel that I am an infant. I feel clearly that, in spite of all the changes, I am a child. My guru told me, 'That child, which is you even now, is your real self (svarupa).' Go back to that state of pure being where the 'I am' is still in its purity, before it became contaminated with 'this I am' or 'that I am.' Your burden is one of false self-identifications -- abandon them all. My guru told me, 'Turst me. I tell you: You are divine. Take it as the absolute truth. Your joy is divine, your suffering is divine too. All comes from God. Remember it always. You are God; your will alone is done.' I did believe him and soon realized how wonderfully true and accurate his words were. I did not condition my mind by thinking: 'I am God, I am wonderful, I am beyond.' I simply followed his instruction, which was to focus the mind on pure being, 'I am,' and stay in it. I used to sit for hours together with nothing but the 'I am' in my mind, and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it all disappeared: myself, my guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace and unfathomable silence remained. seeker: It all looks very simple and easy, but it is just not so. (from Chapter 51 of "I AM THAT", "Be Indifferent to Pain and Pleasure")
How do you stay in 'I am'. 'I can't' |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 20, 2013 4:08:23 GMT -8
The distinction that's come across from what I've read so far (and as specifically pointed out to me once by Niz 2.0), is that what is unreal is not dismissed as unreal, but seen to be, or even, I dare say, embraced as what it is (or... isn't). Who is Niz 2.0? That embracing biz always sounds like a perfect plan to finally get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.  Rejecting/embracing is a tricky thing. Actively rejecting or embracing would be some kind of life style or at least some kind of doing suggestion. That's the personal point of view. When things are seen clearly the impulse to embrace the mirage just wouldn't be there which means it wouldn't mean rejecting it either. When you see the mirage of water clearly as a mirage there wouldn't be the impulse to go there to have a refreshing drink. Which doesn't mean that you try to ignore it either. Rejecting/embracing is a matter of focus. Seeing clearly has nothing to do with focus. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 20, 2013 4:09:18 GMT -8
How do you stay in 'I am'. 'I can't' You sing it! |
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Post by burt on Feb 20, 2013 14:33:40 GMT -8
The distinction that's come across from what I've read so far (and as specifically pointed out to me once by Niz 2.0), is that what is unreal is not dismissed as unreal, but seen to be, or even, I dare say, embraced as what it is (or... isn't). Who is Niz 2.0? That embracing biz always sounds like a perfect plan to finally get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Rejecting/embracing is a tricky thing. Actively rejecting or embracing would be some kind of life style or at least some kind of doing suggestion. That's the personal point of view. When things are seen clearly the impulse to embrace the mirage just wouldn't be there which means it wouldn't mean rejecting it either. When you see the mirage of water clearly as a mirage there wouldn't be the impulse to go there to have a refreshing drink. Which doesn't mean that you try to ignore it either. Rejecting/embracing is a matter of focus. Seeing clearly has nothing to do with focus. Yes I see your point there ... the word "embrace" conjures visions of a circle of hippies wearing flower-rings on their heads all linking arms around some sacred tree ... or worse yet, raises the spectre of losing the vector between what is delusion and what isn't delusion. Mr. 2.0 ... who indeed! ... he would of course disclaim such a label ... he made the point twice ... once with a reference to the pounding of the hooves of the Pegasus -- the sound happens and is neither good nor bad, it just happens -- the other was a straight-out delineation: recognizing the dream is not dismissing the dream. I got the quote from Niz 1.0 layin' around somewhere: if you dismiss everything as a dream you wind up with a dream ... a few chapter's later he seems to contradict himself by stating the dream/dreamer model, but it's only a contradiction if you miss the "dismiss/not-dismiss" distinction. Replace "embrace" with "not-dismiss" ... probably a better word to fit in there but whatever. |
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Post by beingist on Feb 20, 2013 18:43:27 GMT -8
How do you stay in 'I am'. 'I can't' Spongey, you're in 'I am' all the time, silly. The key is to 'focus' on it. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 21, 2013 8:02:22 GMT -8
Who is Niz 2.0? That embracing biz always sounds like a perfect plan to finally get to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Rejecting/embracing is a tricky thing. Actively rejecting or embracing would be some kind of life style or at least some kind of doing suggestion. That's the personal point of view. When things are seen clearly the impulse to embrace the mirage just wouldn't be there which means it wouldn't mean rejecting it either. When you see the mirage of water clearly as a mirage there wouldn't be the impulse to go there to have a refreshing drink. Which doesn't mean that you try to ignore it either. Rejecting/embracing is a matter of focus. Seeing clearly has nothing to do with focus.
Yes I see your point there ... the word "embrace" conjures visions of a circle of hippies wearing flower-rings on their heads all linking arms around some sacred tree ... or worse yet, raises the spectre of losing the vector between what is delusion and what isn't delusion.
Mr. 2.0 ... who indeed! ... he would of course disclaim such a label ... he made the point twice ... once with a reference to the pounding of the hooves of the Pegasus -- the sound happens and is neither good nor bad, it just happens -- the other was a straight-out delineation: recognizing the dream is not dismissing the dream.
I got the quote from Niz 1.0 layin' around somewhere: if you dismiss everything as a dream you wind up with a dream ... a few chapter's later he seems to contradict himself by stating the dream/dreamer model, but it's only a contradiction if you miss the "dismiss/not-dismiss" distinction.
Replace "embrace" with "not-dismiss" ... probably a better word to fit in there but whatever.Yup, new escape plans is what we need! |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 21, 2013 8:23:25 GMT -8
Spongey, you're in 'I am' all the time, silly. The key is to 'focus' on it. * Niz scratching head *  |
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Post by burt on Feb 21, 2013 12:34:28 GMT -8
Yup, new escape plans is what we need!
Escape from what? There is no escape. < insert favorite cliche about the here and now and what the Truth is> Taking "Because I am unreal, everything is unreal." as a cue to DISMISS the unreal as unreality ... now that's a hole a bunny could dive down into for sure ... |
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Post by burt on Feb 21, 2013 12:42:22 GMT -8
Niz: If you continue in the realm of intellect you will become entangled and lost in more and more concepts. Yup. Using intellect to paint a "dead end" sign to intellect is hardly a continuance of intellect! Thanks for posting that particular bit about the name Reefs, that's quite poignant ... I wonder if he actually still thought that those words were his when he was speaking to his guru? ... I'd have to infer that he did.  ... and where's his poems? I bet they sucked so bad as to never have seen the light of day! (<-- deliberate sardonic/ironic negative provocation) |
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