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Post by Gopal on Jan 27, 2013 6:53:42 GMT -8
What I mention as perceiver is equal to what phil refer as Awareness but not exactly because in my view perceiver can't exist without perceived.But what phil refer as Awareness can exist without perceived(appearance)
But according to me, Awareness is something which I am aware of but not conscious of. For an example when i am looking at my computer, I am aware of the window(not conscious of) . But this awareness has it's own consciousness at it's level.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2013 7:05:02 GMT -8
What I mention as perceiver is equal to what phil refer as Awareness but not exactly because in my view perceiver can't exist without perceived.But what phil refer as Awareness can exist without perceived(appearance)
But according to me, Awareness is something which I am aware of but not conscious of. For an example when i am looking at my computer, I am aware of the window(not conscious of) . But this awareness has it's own consciousness at it's level. Hm. Darn definitions. Everyone uses a different one.  How about consciousness? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 27, 2013 7:18:57 GMT -8
Consciousness is the one who looks something. But the one who look is not different from the one which is looked. Attention is not something in which thought flows. But attention and thought are same can't be separated.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2013 7:43:42 GMT -8
Consciousness is the one who looks something. But the one who look is not different from the one which is looked. Attention is not something in which thought flows. But attention and thought are same can't be separated. How about mind? What's your take on mind? |
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Post by beingist on Jan 27, 2013 8:01:21 GMT -8
See, now, in my dictionary, 'reality' has been scratched out, and stuff that comes and goes are appearances only, and only that which never comes and goes can be said to exist in it's own right, and illusion is that which is not what it appears to be. So appearances literally don't exist, but are only illusions if I think they do.  Well, that's a little confusing. The problemo is how one defines 'exist'. To you exist seems to equal existing in its own right. Illusion would be only appearing to exist in its own right and therefore doesn't really exist in its own right. Which means doesn't exist at all? In my dictionary there is 'existing', 'existing in its own right' and 'not existing in its own right'. Although appearance doesn't exist in its own right, it's still there, and therefore does exist. Real would be what exists in its own right. So both real and appearance do exist. But appearances do come and go, the real doesn't come and go, it's always there. And all is the Self because there is only the Self. This is pretty much what's in my dictionary, as well. Appearances/3-D universe/existence='Actuality' Self/'what I am'/'what is'/essence ('isness')='Reality' Now, you could say that the Self still exists (even though existence itself is 'actuality'), and I wouldn't contest that, because you're using the common definition of 'to exist'. I get that. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 27, 2013 8:22:56 GMT -8
Consciousness is the one who looks something. But the one who look is not different from the one which is looked. Attention is not something in which thought flows. But attention and thought are same can't be separated. How about mind? What's your take on mind? Mind is just the flow of thoughts. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 27, 2013 21:12:35 GMT -8
Mind is just the flow of thoughts.Okay. And ego? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 27, 2013 21:50:03 GMT -8
I don't have any definition for ego. From the scratch, God changes his focus by infinite speed, by leaving many phases, high speed is created(Our awareness),from high speed our low speed is created(our conscious), but this low speed and our high speed is the part of the infinite speed. I and God both are just alternation of these focuses.My alternation is part of the alternation of God.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 28, 2013 1:59:02 GMT -8
I don't have any definition for ego. From the scratch, God changes his focus by infinite speed, by leaving many phases, high speed is created(Our awareness),from high speed our low speed is created(our conscious), but this low speed and our high speed is the part of the infinite speed. I and God both are just alternation of these focuses.My alternation is part of the alternation of God. Speed and focus. That's interesting. Although speed assumes a time and space scenario. Your model seems to have a scientific touch. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 28, 2013 2:36:30 GMT -8
speed is just to explain about the movement of thought in our focus. Time and space is creation, it's just perpetual flow.Perception and creation are one. God doesn't perceive anything because his focus doesn't have any limit in all direction(due to infinite speed change it includes all) so he perceive nothing(everything is vanished in his focus). He perceive "something" in form of 'you'.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 28, 2013 4:09:48 GMT -8
speed is just to explain about the movement of thought in our focus. Time and space is creation, it's just perpetual flow.Perception and creation are one. God doesn't perceive anything because his focus doesn't have any limit in all direction(due to infinite speed change it includes all) so he perceive nothing(everything is vanished in his focus). He perceive "something" in form of 'you'. What does 'infinite speed' mean? No space to cross, no time to go by? I still don't understand this focus thingy. If God's focus goes into all directions at once then his awareness must be somehow omnipresent. Why does it then follow that everything vanishes and He perceives nothing which would mean there is no awareness of anything? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 28, 2013 4:42:13 GMT -8
you are changing focus from your home to street,Consider this is your speed of change. In the same way he changes his focus by infinite speed.This i meant by infinite speed.Or we would say he changes in 0 sec. Your focus change is the aspect of this infinite speed as well so you are not separate from God. 'You' are the slower movement of God by repetition but he is always at infinite speed,he never slows down, but seemingly slows down by repetition in the form of 'you'.
Why does it then follow that everything vanishes and He perceives nothing which would mean there is no awareness of anything?
'something' is defined by what something is not. Creation happens from "something" and "nothing" at the same time.When you perceive the cat, rat is not there at the same place. And Every boundary crosses by the definition of boundary(perception boundary or focus keeps changing). So we have the relation to the infinity. So while we are increasing the detailness in our consciousness, at one point where everything is included so it misses 'nothing' to define something as I have explained above. We would call this focus as continuum because no limit is reached.So This focus perceives nothing, but it is not nothing but everything,but it is vanished.
So you are one aspect of God and I am another aspect of God so be everyone else. So God covers the entire distant to infinity as well as all individuals at the "same" time.So God is dynamic individual.
Raj
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Post by theo on Jan 31, 2013 7:23:38 GMT -8
Well, that 'nothing' word is a tricky one, isn't it? The mind boggles!  As complex as my concept seems, it's actually a way of saying that Existence itself is infinitely simpler than it can EVER be imagined to be. yep ! |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 31, 2013 18:58:39 GMT -8
you are changing focus from your home to street,Consider this is your speed of change. In the same way he changes his focus by infinite speed.This i meant by infinite speed.Or we would say he changes in 0 sec. Your focus change is the aspect of this infinite speed as well so you are not separate from God. 'You' are the slower movement of God by repetition but he is always at infinite speed,he never slows down, but seemingly slows down by repetition in the form of 'you'.
Why does it then follow that everything vanishes and He perceives nothing which would mean there is no awareness of anything?
'something' is defined by what something is not. Creation happens from "something" and "nothing" at the same time.When you perceive the cat, rat is not there at the same place. And Every boundary crosses by the definition of boundary(perception boundary or focus keeps changing). So we have the relation to the infinity. So while we are increasing the detailness in our consciousness, at one point where everything is included so it misses 'nothing' to define something as I have explained above. We would call this focus as continuum because no limit is reached.So This focus perceives nothing, but it is not nothing but everything,but it is vanished.
So you are one aspect of God and I am another aspect of God so be everyone else. So God covers the entire distant to infinity as well as all individuals at the "same" time.So God is dynamic individual.Raj God with form or God without form? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 31, 2013 22:03:52 GMT -8
God with form or God without form?
All that exist is focus, God's focus perceive nothing(not actually nothing but everything,since everything doesn't include "nothing" in it's part, it perceives nothing), so you could say God is without form, but he comes out of his state and perceive something in form of you at the "same" time.
Raj
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