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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2013 12:39:24 GMT -8
Perhaps we could say sincerity is the intent to discover the truth and the absence of ulterior motives that would compromise that search as we commune with others here. I like silence's addition and your incorporation here. Dominated by what is likely a personal perspective, it's interesting to ruminate on what ulterior motives may be at play. To sound clever? To procrastinate? To admire my own writing reflected in the pool? I think those are some of the ulterior motives. There are probably others too that I'm not thinking about / conscious of. But they are not the dominant one. I just want to stop the game, not that I'm against playing or anything. I agree. I'm in favor of humor cuz it can all get pretty serious and it's not, really. It's kind of an ambiguous paradox.  I would add to the list, the need to be right, the need to control, the need to entertain and be entertained, the need to socialize, the need to be liked, the need to acquire knowledge, the need to look enlightened. I'm sure there are lots more. |
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Post by humphrey on Jan 17, 2013 12:53:42 GMT -8
Perhaps we could say sincerity is the intent to discover the truth and the absence of ulterior motives that would compromise that search as we commune with others here. I like silence's addition and your incorporation here. Dominated by what is likely a personal perspective, it's interesting to ruminate on what ulterior motives may be at play. To sound clever? To procrastinate? To admire my own writing reflected in the pool? I think those are some of the ulterior motives. There are probably others too that I'm not thinking about / conscious of. But they are not the dominant one. I just want to stop the game, not that I'm against playing or anything. I agree. I'm in favor of humor cuz it can all get pretty serious and it's not, really. It's kind of an ambiguous paradox. I would add to the list, the need to be right, the need to control, the need to entertain and be entertained, the need to socialize, the need to be liked, the need to acquire knowledge, the need to look enlightened. I'm sure there are lots more. to sound honest and sincere |
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Post by Portto on Jan 17, 2013 13:16:51 GMT -8
How about:
Sincerity = no [conscious] lies
Example of a lie: I'm levitating while I'm writing this message.
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Post by james on Jan 17, 2013 13:38:53 GMT -8
The 'conscious' bit resonates and so does the 'no ulterior motives' thing. So no conscious ulterior motives. But it's all in the eye of the beholder anyway. Person A might say something and believe it to be sincere, person B may see it as completely insincere. And who is right? Both and neither?
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2013 14:17:02 GMT -8
I agree. I'm in favor of humor cuz it can all get pretty serious and it's not, really. It's kind of an ambiguous paradox. I would add to the list, the need to be right, the need to control, the need to entertain and be entertained, the need to socialize, the need to be liked, the need to acquire knowledge, the need to look enlightened. I'm sure there are lots more. to sound honest and sincere HA! Yes. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2013 14:22:43 GMT -8
How about: Sincerity = no [conscious] lies Example of a lie: I'm levitating while I'm writing this message. Unfortunately, I don't see it as being that simple. What I believe I see all the time is folks being quite honest about their giraffe herding and yet there are unconscious motives that can make useful discussion virtually impossible. It's definitely not about placing responsibility, which would make it all much easier. |
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Post by Portto on Jan 17, 2013 15:54:48 GMT -8
How about: Sincerity = no [conscious] lies Example of a lie: I'm levitating while I'm writing this message. Unfortunately, I don't see it as being that simple. What I believe I see all the time is folks being quite honest about their giraffe herding and yet there are unconscious motives that can make useful discussion virtually impossible. It's definitely not about placing responsibility, which would make it all much easier. Maybe it's fortunate that you don't see it that simple Based on what you're saying, it seems that to you sincerity would be when people become/are aware of their unconscious motives. That's hard! It's easier to ask people to not lie, though it may not be that useful for probing consciousness/awareness. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2013 16:53:45 GMT -8
Unfortunately, I don't see it as being that simple. What I believe I see all the time is folks being quite honest about their giraffe herding and yet there are unconscious motives that can make useful discussion virtually impossible. It's definitely not about placing responsibility, which would make it all much easier. Maybe it's fortunate that you don't see it that simple Based on what you're saying, it seems that to you sincerity would be when people become/are aware of their unconscious motives. That's hard! Yeah, basically. How many peeps on these forums do you think are consciously lying? |
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Post by Portto on Jan 17, 2013 17:16:08 GMT -8
How many peeps on these forums do you think are consciously lying? Never lie, or only from time to time? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2013 18:35:24 GMT -8
How many peeps on these forums do you think are consciously lying? Never lie, or only from time to time? Well, lets leave a little cornering room and say at most, from time to time. My sense of it is that covers pretty much everybody. The weird things that peeps say really are believed by the peeps saying them.  |
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Post by silence on Jan 17, 2013 21:37:21 GMT -8
Perhaps we could say sincerity is the intent to discover the truth and the absence of ulterior motives that would compromise that search as we commune with others here. I like silence's addition and your incorporation here. Dominated by what is likely a personal perspective, it's interesting to ruminate on what ulterior motives may be at play. To sound clever? To procrastinate? To admire my own writing reflected in the pool? I think those are some of the ulterior motives. There are probably others too that I'm not thinking about / conscious of. But they are not the dominant one. I just want to stop the game, not that I'm against playing or anything. The game of trying to sound clever while attempting to catch yourself being clever. Which is itself an attempt to be even more clever! ;D |
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Post by Portto on Jan 18, 2013 4:47:31 GMT -8
Never lie, or only from time to time? Well, lets leave a little cornering room and say at most, from time to time. My sense of it is that covers pretty much everybody. The weird things that peeps say really are believed by the peeps saying them. Yep, the world is putting on quite a show!  |
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Post by humphrey on Jan 18, 2013 10:55:22 GMT -8
Perhaps we could say sincerity is the intent to discover the truth and the absence of ulterior motives that would compromise that search as we commune with others here. I like silence's addition and your incorporation here. Dominated by what is likely a personal perspective, it's interesting to ruminate on what ulterior motives may be at play. To sound clever? To procrastinate? To admire my own writing reflected in the pool? I think those are some of the ulterior motives. There are probably others too that I'm not thinking about / conscious of. But they are not the dominant one. I just want to stop the game, not that I'm against playing or anything. The game of trying to sound clever while attempting to catch yourself being clever. Which is itself an attempt to be even more clever! ;D toooouché. It's like a variant of Touret's Syndrome. erp! |
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Post by fredvd on Feb 1, 2013 5:33:08 GMT -8
sincerity implies a direction, it implies you are in control of a process. the game playing is when you believe in a direction, a process, control and none of that happens without a belief in you first.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 9:00:10 GMT -8
sincerity implies a direction, it implies you are in control of a process. the game playing is when you believe in a direction, a process, control and none of that happens without a belief in you first. Hi Fred. ;D Yes, a sincere imaginary seeker. |
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