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Post by enigma on May 30, 2013 23:21:05 GMT -8
That's the one thing I don't rez with in the AA plan. I see the value in admitting powerlessness, but it sets up a lifetime of victimhood to something seen as a disease. Still, it seems to work often enough. It's an example of the material world paying a dividend for the formation of an identity, of an attachment: "I am a smoker/drinker/junkie". In taking this on along with confronting the powerlessness the body/mind benefits from turning away from the destructive cycle of addiction. It's the spirit/matter duality in action ... pointing away from what seems obvious but is actually a lie is a tough sell, but ironically seems to get easier the more people get what they think they want. It's also a good example of how a self-reinforcing structure forms-up around a focal point of human suffering. No more junkies, no more anonammo, and the cardboard tables and chairs are folded one last time for once and for all but not for the good of the organization itself. In this there is an institutional incentive to hide the ball, so to speak. This seems to me the organizational equivalent of the personal aversion to freedom even as one cries out from behind the bars that they've created out of the cloth of their own imagination. And so we have two approaches, neither of which is aimed at addiction as addiction is an illusion. Both methods address resistance created by the one forming the illusion. The AA approach is to remove resistance by encouraging surrender. What 'higher power' is surrendered to, or in fact if there is a higher power, is irrelevant as the objective is simply to end the split mind internal battle that defines and perpetuates the addiction cycle. My approach is to address the actuality of the split mind directly, and in that awareness that there is one mind making one choice, the struggle ends and one or another choice is made, without all the mind games. This approach is not in any way dis-empowering and does not cultivate other dependencies. (on a process or a higher power) It places responsibility entirely on the individual and forces him to face his own choice and the consequences of that choice.
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Post by burt on May 31, 2013 20:58:08 GMT -8
It's an example of the material world paying a dividend for the formation of an identity, of an attachment: "I am a smoker/drinker/junkie". In taking this on along with confronting the powerlessness the body/mind benefits from turning away from the destructive cycle of addiction. It's the spirit/matter duality in action ... pointing away from what seems obvious but is actually a lie is a tough sell, but ironically seems to get easier the more people get what they think they want. It's also a good example of how a self-reinforcing structure forms-up around a focal point of human suffering. No more junkies, no more anonammo, and the cardboard tables and chairs are folded one last time for once and for all but not for the good of the organization itself. In this there is an institutional incentive to hide the ball, so to speak. This seems to me the organizational equivalent of the personal aversion to freedom even as one cries out from behind the bars that they've created out of the cloth of their own imagination. And so we have two approaches, neither of which is aimed at addiction as addiction is an illusion. Both methods address resistance created by the one forming the illusion. The AA approach is to remove resistance by encouraging surrender. What 'higher power' is surrendered to, or in fact if there is a higher power, is irrelevant as the objective is simply to end the split mind internal battle that defines and perpetuates the addiction cycle. My approach is to address the actuality of the split mind directly, and in that awareness that there is one mind making one choice, the struggle ends and one or another choice is made, without all the mind games. This approach is not in any way dis-empowering and does not cultivate other dependencies. (on a process or a higher power) It places responsibility entirely on the individual and forces him to face his own choice and the consequences of that choice. The distinction is between a lifelong war and walking off the battlefield.
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Post by enigma on May 31, 2013 22:37:48 GMT -8
And so we have two approaches, neither of which is aimed at addiction as addiction is an illusion. Both methods address resistance created by the one forming the illusion. The AA approach is to remove resistance by encouraging surrender. What 'higher power' is surrendered to, or in fact if there is a higher power, is irrelevant as the objective is simply to end the split mind internal battle that defines and perpetuates the addiction cycle. My approach is to address the actuality of the split mind directly, and in that awareness that there is one mind making one choice, the struggle ends and one or another choice is made, without all the mind games. This approach is not in any way dis-empowering and does not cultivate other dependencies. (on a process or a higher power) It places responsibility entirely on the individual and forces him to face his own choice and the consequences of that choice. The distinction is between a lifelong war and walking off the battlefield. Yes, it is. There's nothing less amenable to mind than surrender, and yet as mind struggle only with it's own self created illusions, surrender is it's only salvation. All search for freedom ends precisely here, in the ending of self delusion. It's not mysterious but rather eminently practical and obvious. It's important to be able to observe the endless ways we devise to create our own suffering, and find the sense and courage to simply put an end to it.
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Post by Core13 on Jul 9, 2013 10:18:58 GMT -8
May anyone elaborate on how is one supposed to "see the illusion for what it is and stop playing it" as stated on "The Habit Game" article.
Been struggling with weight issues, cant seem to break this resistance towards healthy eating.
Any comments or tips are greatly appreciated.
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Post by silvery1 on Jul 10, 2013 6:40:02 GMT -8
May anyone elaborate on how is one supposed to "see the illusion for what it is and stop playing it" as stated on "The Habit Game" article. Been struggling with weight issues, cant seem to break this resistance towards healthy eating. Any comments or tips are greatly appreciated. Hi Core13. The answer isn't in that article. You can't get healthier by eating 'regular' foods, and if it is your desire to get healthy, then arm yourself with the knowledge you need about 'food' today here in this country (or wherever you are). You've gotta know by now that processed foods are basically bereft of any nutrition and in fact have all sorts of stuff in it that have a negative impact on anyone's wellbeing. I haven't gone organic yet, but I'm approaching that. (I've cut way back on all meat and dairy, fyi.) So much to learn. If you want to get hooked up to the information that will help, join SpiritualForums.com and follow StephenK around. He's got the goods. It will start to open your eyes.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 10, 2013 17:04:20 GMT -8
May anyone elaborate on how is one supposed to "see the illusion for what it is and stop playing it" as stated on "The Habit Game" article.
Been struggling with weight issues, cant seem to break this resistance towards healthy eating.
Any comments or tips are greatly appreciated. It doesn't really matter what you eat. Your beliefs about what you eat matter.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 10, 2013 17:18:51 GMT -8
"The body can live on sawdust and glue. You should shoot all these nutritionists on sight and at sight!"
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Post by Core13 on Jul 10, 2013 20:05:00 GMT -8
Thanks guys, for the replies.
I would like to share something that happened a while ago.
When i first stumbled this site, I enjoyed the many articles written in the homepage.
One article that i really liked was the "Split Mind" article, mainly because it made a lot of sense.
The main message i got from that article is only the present moment and the choice you choose at that moment are real. So i was like "Nice, makes a lot of sense, especially how the mind creates opposite point of views"
Then i decided to give it a shot, start a diet and see what i can achieve. I was surprised how EASY was to follow a healthy eating plan. One of the key factor was when anytime i felt i was going to fail, i remained myself "only the present moment and the choice you take are real". Then, there, i would "make a choice" at that moment, which was to eat healthy. I only lasted 8 days, but i have to admit that it was very easy.
What made me fail was that i started, around the 8th day, to play around with craving thoughts, and, i guess, it got the better of me. Split Mind illusion, we can say.
Now 2 weeks have passed. Still having a lot of trouble seeing through the illusion of this split mind. I'm working on it.
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Post by silvery1 on Jul 10, 2013 20:08:31 GMT -8
Thanks guys, for the replies. I would like to share something that happened a while ago. When i first stumbled this site, I enjoyed the many articles written in the homepage. One article that i really liked was the "Split Mind" article, mainly because it made a lot of sense. The main message i got from that article is only the present moment and the choice you choose at that moment are real. So i was like "Nice, makes a lot of sense, especially how the mind creates opposite point of views" Then i decided to give it a shot, start a diet and see what i can achieve. I was surprised how EASY was to follow a healthy eating plan. One of the key factor was when anytime i felt i was going to fail, i remained myself "only the present moment and the choice you take are real". Then, there, i would "make a choice" at that moment, which was to eat healthy. I only lasted 8 days, but i have to admit that it was very easy. What made me fail was that i started, around the 8th day, to play around with craving thoughts, and, i guess, it got the better of me. Split Mind illusion, we can say. Now 2 weeks have passed. Still having a lot of trouble seeing through the illusion of this split mind. I'm working on it. Hey, that's good, Core13. I just might have to check that out for myself.
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Post by silvery1 on Jul 10, 2013 20:09:22 GMT -8
"The body can live on sawdust and glue. You should shoot all these nutritionists on sight and at sight!" If one is eating crackers, cookies and cereal, same thing as eating sawdust and glue. ;D
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Post by Reefs on Jul 18, 2013 8:12:23 GMT -8
Still having a lot of trouble seeing through the illusion of this split mind. I'm working on it. 'I'm working on it' is split mind in action.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 18, 2013 8:14:14 GMT -8
If one is eating crackers, cookies and cereal, same thing as eating sawdust and glue. ;D Yeah, it has a similar ring to it.
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Post by Anja on Jul 20, 2016 3:10:30 GMT -8
Nothing wrong with habits anyway...as long as ones habits are not harming others. If one is a crack addict, okay, as long as one can affort the drug and nobody gets harmed by the addict. Everybody has the right to do with their own body-minds what ever they like, under the law of AHIMSA (non-violence).
Getting rid of a certain habit only makes sense if one realy wants it or it is neccessary and unavoidable. For example, I just quitt smoking two weeks ago. It was neccessary and therefore its easy for me. And I did it before, quitting smoking, so I know how the process works. But I would not have stopped smoking when I would not have had a period of heavy coughing. It was unavoidable to stop smoking, therefore it happend that I don't smoke anymore. It was not my conscious choise to quitt. My lungs choose it for me. (Pretty much a split-mind thingy gone right...).
"...don't worry. Don't be afraid, because....it's just a ride..." - Bill Hicks
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