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Post by Reefs on May 30, 2013 6:15:54 GMT -8
The mind now sees itself diversified as the universe. If the diversity is not manifest it remains in its own essence, that is the Heart. Entering the Heart means remaining without distractions. The Heart is the only Reality. The mind is only a transient phase. To remain as one’s Self is to enter the Heart.
Because a man identifies himself with the body he sees the world separate from him. This wrong identification arises because he has lost his moorings and has swerved from his original state. He is now advised to give up all these false ideas, to trace back his source and remain as the Self. In that state, there are no differences. No questions will arise.
All the sastras are meant only to make the man retrace his steps to the original source. He need not gain anything new. He must only give up his false ideas and useless accretions. Instead of doing it he tries to catch hold of something strange and mysterious because he believes that his happiness lies elsewhere. That is the mistake. If one remains as the Self there is bliss. Probably he thinks that being quiet does not bring about the state of bliss. That is due to his ignorance. The only practice is to find out “to whom these questions arise.” Notice that he says ' retrace ones steps to the original source and remain as the Self' and not 'go beyond/transcend mind'. Which means Ramana's advice won't work as an escape plan.  |
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Post by humphrey on May 30, 2013 6:45:32 GMT -8
The mind now sees itself diversified as the universe. If the diversity is not manifest it remains in its own essence, that is the Heart. Entering the Heart means remaining without distractions. The Heart is the only Reality. The mind is only a transient phase. To remain as one’s Self is to enter the Heart.
Because a man identifies himself with the body he sees the world separate from him. This wrong identification arises because he has lost his moorings and has swerved from his original state. He is now advised to give up all these false ideas, to trace back his source and remain as the Self. In that state, there are no differences. No questions will arise.
All the sastras are meant only to make the man retrace his steps to the original source. He need not gain anything new. He must only give up his false ideas and useless accretions. Instead of doing it he tries to catch hold of something strange and mysterious because he believes that his happiness lies elsewhere. That is the mistake. If one remains as the Self there is bliss. Probably he thinks that being quiet does not bring about the state of bliss. That is due to his ignorance. The only practice is to find out “to whom these questions arise.” Notice that he says ' retrace ones steps to the original source and remain as the Self' and not 'go beyond/transcend mind'. Which means Ramana's advice won't work as an escape plan. Remain?? sounds like attachment to me! poor Ramana. |
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Post by Reefs on May 30, 2013 7:33:23 GMT -8
Notice that he says ' retrace ones steps to the original source and remain as the Self' and not 'go beyond/transcend mind'. Which means Ramana's advice won't work as an escape plan. Remain?? sounds like attachment to me! poor Ramana. Yeah, he has a bad reputation over there on ST because of that. He is clearly clinging like crazy to a mental position.  Btw, I've heard you got banned on ST.  |
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Post by humphrey on May 30, 2013 7:47:06 GMT -8
Remain?? sounds like attachment to me! poor Ramana. Yeah, he has a bad reputation over there on ST because of that. He is clearly clinging like crazy to a mental position. Those who've Surpassed call him Remaina. ;D Yea, some total tightwad reported me.  |
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Post by burt on May 30, 2013 10:18:40 GMT -8
inquire as to the identity of the tightwad  |
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Post by enigma on May 30, 2013 23:37:45 GMT -8
inquire as to the identity of the tightwad It seems some kind of a split mind phenomena got out of control. |
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Post by humphrey on May 31, 2013 4:39:54 GMT -8
inquire as to the identity of the tightwad It was a Sybil moment, for sure. Methinks Tightwad had the zeal of kamikaze. |
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Post by humphrey on May 31, 2013 4:46:48 GMT -8
inquire as to the identity of the tightwad It seems some kind of a split mind phenomena got out of control. Yes, chop chop chop. Splinters everywhere! There was Snarky, as usual. Then Mr. Polite, always busy cleaning up after Snarky. There was a Judge in there of course; and perhaps a Lazy Inquisitor. Then also Tightwad, aka Kamikaze. Someone's amused by the whole thing too. |
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Post by enigma on May 31, 2013 22:51:48 GMT -8
It seems some kind of a split mind phenomena got out of control. Yes, chop chop chop. Splinters everywhere! There was Snarky, as usual. Then Mr. Polite, always busy cleaning up after Snarky. There was a Judge in there of course; and perhaps a Lazy Inquisitor. Then also Tightwad, aka Kamikaze. Someone's amused by the whole thing too. The amused one is really very interesting. He never really gets involved, and pretty much just stays amused.  |
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Post by burt on Jan 15, 2014 21:33:43 GMT -8
Satsang
Visitor: How to control the mind? Ramana: It is to be done by controlling the breath. If you practice it by yourself without other help, then the mind is controlled. Otherwise the mind comes under control spontaneously in the presence of a superior power. Such is the greatness of association with the wise (satsanga). Best to come prepared then!  IllusionVisitor: What is illusion? Ramana: To whom is the illusion? Find it out. Then illusion will vanish. Generally people want to know about illusion and do not examine to whom it is. It is foolish. Illusion is outside and unknown. But the seeker is considered to be known and is inside. Find out what is immediate, intimate, instead of trying to find out what is distant and unknown.  |
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