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Post by theo on Feb 1, 2013 3:48:40 GMT -8
Yes correct. Perceiver can't perceive nothing. So perceiver is not there any more But what is nothing? Nothing can only exist against something. So perceiver includes nothing in his each focus,that's one kind of nothing ,other nothing is when he perceives everything, he misses "nothing" to define something, So he perceives nothing(perceiver is there),because his focus doesn't reach the limit. No words-ideas-mind games please. see the moon , not the finger pointing to it. "nothing" means nothing whatsoever. No perceiver(whatsoever) - no thing (in whatever sense of this no-word). And no perceiver can see everything. One subject-one object (no matter how big or complex that object might be) "perceiver-perceiving-perceived" appears & disappears. When they disappears there is nothing left. ... and when they appears they ARE-NOT and THERE-IS-NOTHING-EITHER... and "nothing" is not "something that is not" nothing is nothing. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 8:53:42 GMT -8
Yes correct. Perceiver can't perceive nothing. So perceiver is not there any more But what is nothing? Nothing can only exist against something. So perceiver includes nothing in his each focus,that's one kind of nothing ,other nothing is when he perceives everything, he misses "nothing" to define something, So he perceives nothing(perceiver is there),because his focus doesn't reach the limit. No words-ideas-mind games please. see the moon , not the finger pointing to it. "nothing" means nothing whatsoever. No perceiver(whatsoever) - no thing (in whatever sense of this no-word). And no perceiver can see everything. One subject-one object (no matter how big or complex that object might be) "perceiver-perceiving-perceived" appears & disappears. When they disappears there is nothing left. ... and when they appears they ARE-NOT and THERE-IS-NOTHING-EITHER... By 'perceiver' you mean a particular mind/body, right? Yeah. |
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Post by theo on Feb 1, 2013 9:46:57 GMT -8
By 'perceiver' you mean a particular mind/body, right? [ perceiver-perceiving-perceived ] none ... Any kind of |
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Post by RajagopalanfromINDIA on Feb 1, 2013 9:48:31 GMT -8
Yes correct. Perceiver can't perceive nothing. So perceiver is not there any more But what is nothing? Nothing can only exist against something. So perceiver includes nothing in his each focus,that's one kind of nothing ,other nothing is when he perceives everything, he misses "nothing" to define something, So he perceives nothing(perceiver is there),because his focus doesn't reach the limit. No words-ideas-mind games please. see the moon , not the finger pointing to it. "nothing" means nothing whatsoever. No perceiver(whatsoever) - no thing (in whatever sense of this no-word). And no perceiver can see everything. One subject-one object (no matter how big or complex that object might be) "perceiver-perceiving-perceived" appears & disappears. When they disappears there is nothing left. ... and when they appears they ARE-NOT and THERE-IS-NOTHING-EITHER... and "nothing" is not "something that is not" nothing is nothing. Nothing can be refered from something, you are pointing out nothing from your place, If you are not here, Nothing is meaningless, But by the way that's not my important point any way, What I meant to say was, when you perceive something, you are leaving everything except that one in your perception to perceive that one. When you are perceiving TV you may not be perceiving your window, the point is, you are leaving out to perceive something.But if you are able to perceive TV and window in your single focus , then you condensing both in your single focus.when you are looking at that, your focus is being created constantly. you said no perceive can see everything, you are nothing but alternation between the focuses, you are just watching the repetition of alternation, when the speed increases, you focus can't follow, but your deeper self can grasp on that speed, the speed and shape of alternation determines the limit of your focus. so the consciousness of your deeper self becomes awareness for you. when the speed increases more and more your deeper self can't grasp, so it's own deeper self can grasp, So self is it's speed, Our deeper self is it's own speed. the speed asymptotically increases to the infinity, when it touch the speed of infinity that's the speed of All That Is, it create it's own focus with it's speed, that's the focus named continum this focus can't have any limit. So no perception but perceiver still there. Take a vase put it on the table, look into this more carefully,your looking will unfolds all the details of the vase, these details are already enfolded by the infinite speed of alternation. when you look into it carefully each and every part of the vase will be unfolded into the lower speed(YOU) and condensing into your focus. |
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Post by theo on Feb 1, 2013 10:26:43 GMT -8
No words-ideas-mind games please. see the moon , not the finger pointing to it. "nothing" means nothing whatsoever. No perceiver(whatsoever) - no thing (in whatever sense of this no-word). And no perceiver can see everything. One subject-one object (no matter how big or complex that object might be) "perceiver-perceiving-perceived" appears & disappears. When they disappears there is nothing left. ... and when they appears they ARE-NOT and THERE-IS-NOTHING-EITHER... and "nothing" is not "something that is not" nothing is nothing. Nothing can be refered from something, you are pointing out nothing from your place, If you are not here, Nothing is meaningless, But by the way that's not my important point any way, What I meant to say was, when you perceive something, you are leaving everything except that one in your perception to perceive that one. When you are perceiving TV you may not be perceiving your window, the point is, you are leaving out to perceive something.But if you are able to perceive TV and window in your single focus , then you condensing both in your single focus.when you are looking at that, your focus is being created constantly. you said no perceive can see everything, you are nothing but alternation between the focuses, you are just watching the repetition of alternation, when the speed increases, you focus can't follow, but your deeper self can grasp on that speed, the speed and shape of alternation determines the limit of your focus. so the consciousness of your deeper self becomes awareness for you. when the speed increases more and more your deeper self can't grasp, so it's own deeper self can grasp, So self is it's speed, Our deeper self is it's own speed. the speed asymptotically increases to the infinity, when it touch the speed of infinity that's the speed of All That Is, it create it's own focus with it's speed, that's the focus named continum this focus can't have any limit. So no perception but perceiver still there. Take a vase put it on the table, look into this more carefully,your looking will unfolds all the details of the vase, these details are already enfolded by the infinite speed of alternation. when you look into it carefully each and every part of the vase will be unfolded into the lower speed(YOU) and condensing into your focus. No matter how deep or how quick, what you call "self" is [perceiver-perceiving-perceived] : things! and things "are" not. they "exist", i.e they appear and disappear together. period. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 1, 2013 10:50:50 GMT -8
There is no gap between thoughts, thought is stream flow, so there is no disappearance here. perceiver is always there, Perceiver and perceived is ONE.Thought is formed by complex alternation. Perceiver(self) is the center of alternation.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 11:28:17 GMT -8
By 'perceiver' you mean a particular mind/body, right? [ perceiver-perceiving-perceived ] none ... Any kind of I don't know what that means. Perceiver/perceiving/perceived is one occurrence. The appearance of boundaries between them is imagination, and so even the labels don't mean anything. The question as to what is perceiving as opposed to what is perceived, and what comes and what goes and what stays is based on a misconception that there are parts to wholeness. |
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Post by theo on Feb 1, 2013 12:46:32 GMT -8
[ perceiver-perceiving-perceived ] none ... Any kind of I don't know what that means. Perceiver/perceiving/perceived is one occurrence. The appearance of boundaries between them is imagination, and so even the labels don't mean anything. The question as to what is perceiving as opposed to what is perceived, and what comes and what goes and what stays is based on a misconception that there are parts to wholeness. yes , right, actually only perceiving. one occurrence. and that occurrence is just that an occurrence. appearance, not reality. even if appearance-reality is one (non-duality). reality of that (non-duality). is nobody-nothing. |
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