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Post by beingist on Jan 31, 2013 19:26:32 GMT -8
"Answers won't end the seeking, just lead to more questions. The questions have to be dissolved. (seen for the imagination that they are)" Even though it's futile, what else is there to do? There are a lot of of people who don't question at all, not on a spiritual path, but enjoy life fully, no questions asked. Maybe its the seekers who struggle with questions and answers- there's a lot to be said for folks who live life to the fullest with no questions and the almighty answers. unfortunately, I am not one of them. The questions are there and begged to be answered. But after years of questions, it seems to subside, you find you are not desperate to find answers. Mostly what I find to be the most rewarding is not the importance of a questions answered, but finding what I so believed to be true at one time is not the truth - an unlearning of sorts. Indeed, it can quite a freeing experience.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 31, 2013 20:02:18 GMT -8
"Answers won't end the seeking, just lead to more questions. The questions have to be dissolved. (seen for the imagination that they are)"
Even though it's futile, what else is there to do? There are a lot of of people who don't question at all, not on a spiritual path, but enjoy life fully, no questions asked. Maybe its the seekers who struggle with questions and answers- there's a lot to be said for folks who live life to the fullest with no questions and the almighty answers. unfortunately, I am not one of them. The questions are there and begged to be answered. But after years of questions, it seems to subside, you find you are not desperate to find answers. Mostly what I find to be the most rewarding is not the importance of a questions answered, but finding what I so believed to be true at one time is not the truth - an unlearning of sorts. The seekers that seem to be the most miserable are the highly intelligent ones. What is 'living life to the fullest'? I'd say unlearning is overestimated. Spontaneity is the word. It's here and now and has nothing to do with what's in your head or what isn't in your head.
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Post by beingist on Jan 31, 2013 21:29:33 GMT -8
"Answers won't end the seeking, just lead to more questions. The questions have to be dissolved. (seen for the imagination that they are)"
Even though it's futile, what else is there to do? There are a lot of of people who don't question at all, not on a spiritual path, but enjoy life fully, no questions asked. Maybe its the seekers who struggle with questions and answers- there's a lot to be said for folks who live life to the fullest with no questions and the almighty answers. unfortunately, I am not one of them. The questions are there and begged to be answered. But after years of questions, it seems to subside, you find you are not desperate to find answers. Mostly what I find to be the most rewarding is not the importance of a questions answered, but finding what I so believed to be true at one time is not the truth - an unlearning of sorts. The seekers that seem to be the most miserable are the highly intelligent ones. What is 'living life to the fullest'? I'd say unlearning is overestimated. Spontaneity is the word. It's here and now and has nothing to do with what's in your head or what isn't in your head. Yeah, but before you can be really spontaneous, you got get past the stuff that's in your head. This is what 'unlearning' is for (particularly for those of us who have spent a lot of time in our heads).
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Post by Reefs on Jan 31, 2013 21:51:18 GMT -8
Yeah, but before you can be really spontaneous, you got get past the stuff that's in your head. This is what 'unlearning' is for (particularly for those of us who have spent a lot of time in our heads). I'd say flawed premise. No preparation necessary. Bunny holes have no bottom. There's no end to unlearning. It only gets subtler and subtler ad infinitum, like a fractal.
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Post by beingist on Feb 1, 2013 10:37:09 GMT -8
Yeah, but before you can be really spontaneous, you got get past the stuff that's in your head. This is what 'unlearning' is for (particularly for those of us who have spent a lot of time in our heads). I'd say flawed premise. No preparation necessary. Bunny holes have no bottom. There's no end to unlearning. It only gets subtler and subtler ad infinitum, like a fractal. Sounds like you're assuming that I'm talking about spontaneity as a goal. I'm not. The unlearning comes before the spontaneity, what I'm saying.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 12:08:26 GMT -8
I'd say flawed premise. No preparation necessary. Bunny holes have no bottom. There's no end to unlearning. It only gets subtler and subtler ad infinitum, like a fractal. Sounds like you're assuming that I'm talking about spontaneity as a goal. I'm not. The unlearning comes before the spontaneity, what I'm saying. Yeah, I see unlearning, or seeing through the illusion, as extremely useful, and really it's all that can be 'done'. It's fundamentally different from asking endless questions and getting endless answers. The 'knowing' structure itself can potentially collapse.
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Post by jasonlynch on Feb 1, 2013 14:36:33 GMT -8
Yeah, but before you can be really spontaneous, you got get past the stuff that's in your head. This is what 'unlearning' is for (particularly for those of us who have spent a lot of time in our heads). I'd say flawed premise. No preparation necessary. Bunny holes have no bottom. There's no end to unlearning. It only gets subtler and subtler ad infinitum, like a fractal. Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 16:53:39 GMT -8
I'd say flawed premise. No preparation necessary. Bunny holes have no bottom. There's no end to unlearning. It only gets subtler and subtler ad infinitum, like a fractal. Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is. Just to be clear, becoming conscious of information isn't what I mean in this context. I mean consciously aware of that which we're pretending to know or not to know.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 1, 2013 19:19:29 GMT -8
Sounds like you're assuming that I'm talking about spontaneity as a goal. I'm not. The unlearning comes before the spontaneity, what I'm saying. The before/after thingy is the flaw, goals and methods are irrelevant.
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Post by Reefs on Feb 1, 2013 19:24:31 GMT -8
I'd say flawed premise. No preparation necessary. Bunny holes have no bottom. There's no end to unlearning. It only gets subtler and subtler ad infinitum, like a fractal. Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is. As Ramana said: progress is for the mind only. So processes are for the mind. Unlearning certainly is a process. Unlearning is for the mind.
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Post by jasonlynch on Feb 1, 2013 19:55:40 GMT -8
Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is. Just to be clear, becoming conscious of information isn't what I mean in this context. I mean consciously aware of that which we're pretending to know or not to know. Typically when I talk about becoming conscious I'm talking about unbecoming unconscious, or noticing unconsciousness. In this particular instance, I was using the term in a different way.
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Post by jasonlynch on Feb 1, 2013 19:57:30 GMT -8
Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is. As Ramana said: progress is for the mind only. So processes are for the mind. Unlearning certainly is a process. Unlearning is for the mind. Yes, mind's turf.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2013 20:15:11 GMT -8
Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is. As Ramana said: progress is for the mind only. So processes are for the mind. Unlearning certainly is a process. Unlearning is for the mind. Mind is the only trouble maker here.
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Post by beingist on Feb 1, 2013 20:24:51 GMT -8
Sounds like you're assuming that I'm talking about spontaneity as a goal. I'm not. The unlearning comes before the spontaneity, what I'm saying. The before/after thingy is the flaw, goals and methods are irrelevant. Not talking about goals or methods, either, but the process (or, at least the process through my own perception of the process).
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Post by beingist on Feb 1, 2013 20:26:45 GMT -8
Yea I was telling someone recently that there isn't an end to becoming conscious as a process, and there doesn't have to be. The process can only begin by first becoming unconscious, and then unbecoming that. I become conscious of information all the time. In a way, that's what experience is. As Ramana said: progress is for the mind only. So processes are for the mind. Unlearning certainly is a process. Unlearning is for the mind. Yes, unlearning is for the mind. But Niz said, 'the mind must undo what the mind has done'. That's a process, if an infinitely varied one.
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