Autonomy Jan 27, 2013 5:21:16 GMT -8
Post by spongey on Jan 27, 2013 5:21:16 GMT -8
As long as you are coming from that sincerity, I'll follow you wherever you need to go, Spongy.
You can't choose to stop believing. You believe because there seems to be evidence to support it. You'll stop believing when new evidence comes along or you see the falsity of the evidence you have. This is just how mind works and you can't change that.
What doesn't work is rearranging the evidence that you already have, which is thinking. You already know what you think you know, and you're almost guaranteed to find more apparent evidence to support what you already think you know because that's what you'll be looking for. I know you know thinking doesn't work, I just wanted to offer a reason why.
Most of our illusions are accepted without really questioning them at all, so some of them are collapsed quite easily by simply noticing what's actually happening in our experience. Mind is obviously involved in this, but we're trying to do is look at the big picture and not get caught up in what mind thinks it knows about it.
For example, volition is not difficult to see through if we drop the assumption that we know what our next thought will be. If you take a look, you'll see you don't know. Hencely, no control over thoughts, options, choices, desires, etc.
We can take a look at how dualistic experience works and drop the assumption that happiness is an absolute quantity that we should be able to increase. When we notice that all dualistic polarities are subjectively defined, and therefore mutually defining, we can see that our experience of happiness is entirely dependent upon our experience of unhappiness, like two sides of a coin that can never be separated under any conditions.
If we drop the assumption that we know we are a mind/body, we can potentially notice that the mind and the body is appearing to me, and so I must be something else. In fact, we notice that whatever appears, appears to me, and so I cannot be anything that appears, which also means I never appear and am not 'something'.
These are the sorts of illusions that can be seen through with a little sincere effort to know the truth of the matter regardless of what we believe or want to believe. (I haven't made any assumptions about what you have or haven't seen) It does require some insightful realization, but it's not some kind of transcendent woo woo no-mind self realization stuff. Seeing through illusions is much more accessible.
Don't ever worry about Truth realization. Empty yourself completely of falsity, and the Truth will come looking for you.
Thanks for sticking with me on this. Guess it's a case of 'keep looking'. I often think I've gained real clarity but the illusions all persist.